Skip to main content

tv   The Ed Show  MSNBC  February 22, 2012 8:00pm-9:00pm EST

8:00 pm
bring the jobless rate down because if he can, this election could still fall in the hands of the other side. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show." tonight from new york. the women of virginia have stood up to governor bob mcdonnell's radical anti-woman law but the fight is far from over. this is "the ed show" let's get to work. i understand the governor has distanced himself from the bill. >> the governor of virginia has blinked, now bob mcdonnell says mandating an invasive procedure is not a proper role for the state. a big win for the women, and democrats. charniele herring is back tonight. so isden heuvel of the nation. >> radical rick is not backing down from the satan card. >> the opportunity to see what
8:01 pm
is in here, what is up here. and what is burning down here. >> democratic strategist bob shrum and professor james peterson react. in chicago, public educators are under fire yet again. >> we don't want to you sab taj our communities. you will not kick us out of our schools. >> 17 schools in low income neighborhoods are lated to -- slated to close. teachers and parents are fired up we're going to chicago for the latest. sarah palin is back at it again. >> however brokered convention i wouldn't be afraid of that. >> ring of fire radio host, mike pap tone know is here with the latest. good do have you with us, folks, thanks for watching. republicans in the state of virginia, they have overreached and created a real problem for themselves. virginia's radical abortion bill caus caus caused outrage and bob mcdonnell was forced to back down, although he didn't want to. the legislation sparked protests at the state capital.
8:02 pm
the bill forced women seeking an abortion to have an invasive trans-vaginal ultrasound 24 hours before the procedure. it made no exceptions, no exceptions in the cases of rape or incest. very heartless. a coalition of women's organizations delivered more than 33,000 signed petitions to mcdonnell's office today. the message? very clear. the bill was an invasion on women's lives and attack on their health. governor mcdonnell was a co-sponsor of legislation just like this back in 1996 and he was supportive of the bill until today. mcdonnell huddled with his team and told republican lawmakers to remove the internal ultrasound requirement from the bill. in a statement the governor said "mandating an invasive procedure in order to give informed consent is not a proper role for the state." what a difference a week makes. this is political pressure from
8:03 pm
the public being put on lawmakers and they are reacting the way they don't want to. the virginia house passed the bill with mcdonnell's amendments after the afternoon. but mcdonnell didn't back down all the way. he has no problem with the government mandating other procedures. he wrote "i am asking the general assembly to state in this legislation that only a transabdominal or external ultrasound will be required to satisfy the requirements to determine gestation age." democrats are not pleased. they called the bill sloppy and say it creates more problems. democratic state representative dave englin says it bullies women and even requiring rape victims and women suffering miscarriages have ultrasound images placed in their medical records. this bill is still a problem for
8:04 pm
women's rights. and women need to stand up. but mcdonnell and republicans are finding out what other radical republican governors across the country in other states have found out. they found out in wisconsin and ohio, and indiana and new jersey. now they are finding out in virginia, the american people will not sit quietly why a political party tries to stomp on their rights, taking us backing to another century. and beyond. get your cell phones out i want to know what you think. should women trust republicans to make decisions about health care? text a for yes, b for no to 622639. go to the blog at ed.msnbc.com, we'll bring you the results later on in the show. i'm joined tonight by virginia house delegate charniele herring. thanks for your time tonight, we can't let there story go because so much is riding on it, appreciate you joining us again
8:05 pm
tonight. this is not a shift. >> thank you. >> this is not a shift in an ideological belief. >> absolutely. >> there is a move because there was political pressure put on republicans. what happened here today? >> absolutely, not a shift. still this is still an improper bill that the governor has put forward, still forcing women to go through an unnecessary medical procedure, there is still waiting period on the bill. and it's totally inappropriate. this is part of an extreme agenda and still unacceptable. >> so what did the governor do, in your opinion, today? what was his role in this move? >> i think today the governor heard the voices of the women of virginia but he didn't hear them completely and that's the problem. he backed down from the invasive trans vaginal ultrasound but we still have the problem of requiring a procedure. government has no business in the doctor's office, when a doctor meets with a patient it's their decision what procedure is
8:06 pm
proper. it should not come from a republican governor who has an agenda on his mind and that is to advance his political career. >> well, we'll get in that again in a moment, but first of all the medical community, what kind of impact did they have on getting this law changed? getting this -- the procedure and the verbage and all this changed, what did they do? >> all i do know the medical community organization representing over 3,000 doctors sent a message to the governor saying that it's violating their relationship with their patients. as well as being overreach. but, i think that the governor still is not listening. let me tell you, ed, representations were made on the house floor that the governor was in the room when this new bill was drafted, as well as some republican legislators. i don't know if a physician was in the room when it was drafted, i don't know if a woman was in the room when the bill was drafted. so what we have is a result is a
8:07 pm
piece of sloppi legislation that still bad and still bad for virginia. >> state senator jill vogl introduced the original bill. she said she wants it struck from the senate. is there a chance the amended bill will ultimately fail? >> i don't know. i don't know. i do know one thing, that terrible bill that i talked to you about tonight is still alive and well in the senate. it's the house bill sponsored by dellegate byron, we have a bill still alive in the senate. >> virginia house delegate charniele herring. let's turn to katrina vanden heuvel, nobody wants abortions. okay? and nobody wants abortion, no one wants to go down that road but we're having this discussion in 2012 which underscores the
8:08 pm
radical agenda of what we have seen across the country. is it going to stop? >> it will stop if we see more of what we saw in virginia, ed, where we see women, we see the medical community, we see families, we see coalitions of people standing up and saying "enough." this is about women's health. it's about the economies of families. it's about womens right to control their own bodies and individual liberty and think about this governor, who is vying, by the way, to be a vice president. >> do you think that had a lot to do with it? >> i think there was a political move under pressure from women, but excuse me, limited government? these people are for limited government and they want to do probes of the most private parts of womens bodies? it is hypocritical, but we have to remember, ed, as the good woman from virginia said, this is a victory for women who stood
8:09 pm
up but we still have the ultrasound. perhaps the trans-vaginal virginia and this is happening in other states. so we have to understand how far the climate of this country has shifted to the right, but what we also know is this is a losing fight, in my view, for the republicans. they want to fight retro culture wars, when the country seeks not a policing of womens bodies in health but policy about how to make this country recover from the greatest financial crisis. >> why do you think the republicans are going down this road? the president's position on this has not changed. the country's position on this has not changed. >> they don't have -- they don't have answers for the economic problems of this country, so they are doing the classic let's divide, do the wedge issues, and rick santorum is probably the first, i believe he's the first major candidate of a party, he could be the nominee, first to
8:10 pm
reject the separation of church and state. that shows what an extremist time we're in and it's moving the republican party. think of what it says about the republican party. but i think it's alienating not only independents and moderates, it has built up the support for the democratic party among unmarried women a broad coalition and pillar for the coalition but you have to believe some of the republicans, ed, have mothers, daughters, wives, who are saying what are you doing in the 21st century? >> back to the politics of it, do you believe that the governor of virginia weighed his personal political future on this and saw the backlash, saw the public reacting to this and said this is -- he recognized the overreach? >> i do. i do. i think his statement also recognizes the overreach of a party that claims it's for limited government yet is going to go in people's bedrooms, so i think we will see more of that and governor christi, a very
8:11 pm
controversial figure in many ways, represents a part of the republican party which has spoken out about the danger of using these issues in a political way and i also think it's important today major christian leaders and leaders of other denominational faiths spoke out about the political misuse of faith. it's one thing for christians to engage in the political sphere, but another thing to bear false witness. as we have seen again and again the other day with franklin graham, implicitly saying president obama is a muslim. enough of this. >> what lessons are learned for women when it comes to health care from what has unfolded in virginia? they are not going to stop. every opening they get they will take politically and try to get away with it. as i said, i don't think this was a move on the part of the governor because there is some ideological shift. he weighed his options, saw the protesters and made the move. the lesson is what?
8:12 pm
>> it's broader than the wombs movement. you had people from the medical community, you want to bring in families of the country who are sick of having medical choices questioned or their wives, their daughters, and i think then you want to also point to the people in congress, and at the state level who are overreaching in extremist ways and make sure women from all sectors begin to run from sheriff to congress, have their voices heard, and insure that this becomes a matter of control of your rights, individual liberty and don't let people take that away and don't let -- this is a country that was founded on the value of freedom of religion and freedom from religion, and the rights of individual liberty. don't let the rick santorums of the world tell you otherwise and claim that they are speaking for those values. >> katrina vanden heuvel, thank you for joining. answer the question at the bottom of the screen, share your thoughts on twitter.
8:13 pm
anti-choice democrat in the state of illinois thinks the ago co ag committee is the right place to debate. terry o'neill will join me on that discussion. rick santorum tries to explain comments he made back in 2008 about president obama and satan, will voters buy his explanation? bob shrum and dr. james peterson will weigh in. we have a blockbuster story out of chicago. try bayer advanced aspirin. it's not the bayer aspirin you know. it's different. first...it's been re-engineered with micro-particles. second, it enters the bloodstream fast, and rushes relief to the site of your tough pain. the best part? it's proven to relieve pain twice as fast as before. bayer advanced aspirin. test how fast it works for you. love it, or get your money back.
8:14 pm
8:15 pm
>> coming up anti-abortion lawmakers in illinois pass their own ultrasound bill, terry o'neill of the national organization for women joins me tonight. a new policy in chicago could close public schools in poor areas. i'll talk to the head of the chicago teachers union, it's not all about unions, it's about kids in the classroom and how they are being short-changed. sarah palin says a brokered convention? could be a good thing. she is not alone. mike papantonio takes on the gop circus later in the hour.
8:16 pm
share thoughts on twitter using #edshow. we're right back. where's i.t. mom? she quit. [ male announcer ] even with technology -- it's all you. staples easy tech can help with everything from new computers to set-ups to tune-ups. stapes. that was easy. without the stuff that we make here, you wouldn't be able to walk in your house and flip on your lights. [ brad ] at ge we build turbines that power the world. they go into power plants which take some form of energy, harness it, and turn it into more efficient electricity. [ ron ] when i was a kid i wanted to work with my hands, that was my thing. i really enjoy building turbines. it's nice to know that what you're building is gonna do something for the world. when people think of ge, they typically don't think about beer. a lot of people may not realize that the power needed to keep their budweiser cold and even to make their beer comes from turbines made right here. wait, so you guys make the beer? no, we make the power that makes the beer. so without you there'd be no bud? that's right. well, we like you. [ laughter ]
8:17 pm
♪ the war on womens health is of course not exclusive to the state of virginia. seven states have already laws on the books requiring women to undergo an ultrasound before getting an abortion. mostly, in the southern portion of the united states. a similar mandatory ultrasound bill was approved by a committee in the illinois house this week. the bill was introduced by an anti-abortion democrat, joseph lyons. he chose to send it to the house
8:18 pm
ag committee. prompting this response from democratic representative debra mell. >> we're not talking abortions for cows or pigs? we're talking about women? >> yes, lyons chose the ag committee because of the predominantly conservative membership. his bill passed the committee, 11 votes to 2. it now heads to the house floor where a similar bill died last year. this is why representative lyons is so enthusiastic about his bill. he said "i think it gives the human face to the procedure, when women see the heartbeat and see that it's not just a procedure like getting your tonsils taken out or having an appe appendectomy. they want to shame women, who make it the difficult choice to get an abortion and have that procedure. they think women are probably too stupid to make an
8:19 pm
independent decision so the state, in their opinion, has to intervene. i would say that's a government takeover, wouldn't you? joining me is terry o'neill, president of the national organization for women. terry, thanks for your time tonight. what is your reaction to state representative lyons comment about the need for this ultrasound bill? >> you know, that is exactly -- i think he has exactly expressed what all of the supporters of the these ultrasound bills really intend. and that is they intend to humiliate and shame women as those women make the decision to terminate a pregnancy. in fact, i heard one of the best -- the best nicknames for these bills is the ritual humiliation law. and whether or not the bill says the woman has a choice of viewing the ultrasound or whatever, she does not have a choice under any of these laws. and the purpose of these laws is to do two things, first to
8:20 pm
humiliate and shame her, and have the doctor give her a lecture about how difficult a decision this is and she needs to think it through, fast she hasn't already. but secondly, the other part of the bill is intended to drive up the costs dramatically. the vast majority, over 90% of abortions are performed well early in the first trimester. and when you add over $500 for an ultrasound procedure as a mandatory non-medically indicated procedure, you are dramatically driving up the cost and the intention there is simply to take womens choice away. to make it impossible for them to make that decision whether to continue the pregnancy or have an abortion. >> there is a political component to it. does it worry you to see bills like this making headway even in democratic states? >> absolutely, i have to tell you women are waking up. if you look at what happened in
8:21 pm
virginia, where the governor, frankly, the governor did a head fake, i don't think he has really, i think delegate herring, she is right, women are still very much at risk in virginia. but the rising up of the women forced governor mcdonnell to do that head fake. and that is -- that is a real signal of what is happening. women around the country are waking up to exactly what these men, and they are almost all men, are trying to do to us and we are rising up to say "enough is enough" we will only accept you backing off and leaving our health decisions to us. >> there are anti-choice democrats out there. and i think the political argument could be that president obama in the wake of what was a terrible economy, what he was handed has had an excellent
8:22 pm
three years, this is the only thing the republicans have, now women's health is the target to drive the wedge in the social issues. what is your thoughts on that? >> sure, i think it is a distraction. unfortunately for the republican leadership, the economy is getting better. from my point of view not getting better fast enough. >> that makes women the target in the election year? >> i think that's absolutely right. and i think the more they make women a target, the more they will lose. i think also that democrats like the gentleman in illinois who put that -- put an you wiultras bill in the ag committee will lose. politicians who try to politicize women's health will be politicians who no longer have a job. they really are. there is a huge awakening, as i said before it's men who care about the women in their lives that are waking up to this, too. they are just about as angry as
8:23 pm
the women. >> how the republican party views the role of women i think is also going to be a big part of the discussion, because they are attacking women's health care when they have really nothing else on the table, in my opinion. but before you go, i want to get your reaction to this clip of calista gingrich, a reporter asked her what she was giving up for lent. >> what are you giving up? >> i'm giving up my opinion. >> that doesn't count. >> she is giving up her opinion and newt says "that doesn't count" what does that tell you,ing what do we read in that, if anything? >> honestly what you gave up for lent it didn't count if you wouldn't miss it. so i hear that and i hear newt gingrich saying to his wife, "you don't miss your opinions" it's that same, "oh gosh i was just joking about the fact women are second class citizens" or sub order nated to men.
8:24 pm
i was joking about the aspirin between the knees, says rick santorum's biggest funder. and the gingriches, we were just joking about the fact women don't have opinions, or at least wouldn't miss their opinions. it's very telling and frankly, as long as these are the best that the republican party has to offer, the republican party will lose. >> terry o'neill, appreciate your time tonight, thank you so much. >> thank you, ed. survival of the fittest is no way to run a public school system. this story burns me. the crisis in chicago, i think has national implications. this is the model, folks, the president of the chicago teachers union sticking up for the kids, next. david letterman breaks through donald trump's thin skin by telling jokes about mitt romney's dog? stay with us. ♪ he was a 21st century global nomad ♪
8:25 pm
♪ home was an airport lounge and an ipad ♪ ♪ made sure his credit score did not go bad ♪ ♪ with a free-credit-score-dot-com ♪ ♪ app that he had ♪ downloaded it in the himalayas ♪ ♪ while meditating like a true playa ♪ ♪ now when he's surfing down in chile'a ♪ ♪ he can see when his score is in danger ♪ ♪ if you're a mobile type on the go ♪ ♪ i suggest you take a tip from my bro ♪ ♪ and download the app that lets you know ♪ ♪ at free-credit-score-dot-com now let's go. ♪ vo: offer applies with enrollment in freecreditscore.com™.
8:26 pm
with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one non-narcotic pill a day, every day, can help reduce this pain. tell your doctor right away if your mood worsens, you have unusual changes in mood or behavior or thoughts of suicide. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. cymbalta is not approved for children under 18. people taking maois or thioridazine or with uncontrolled glaucoma should not take cymbalta. taking it with nsaids, aspirin, or blood thinners may increase bleeding risk. severe liver problems, some fatal, were reported. signs include abdominal pain and yellowing skin or eyes. tell your doctor about all your medicines, including those for migraine and while on cymbalta, call right away if you have high fever, confusion and stiff muscles or serious allergic skin reactions
8:27 pm
like blisters, peeling rash, hives, or mouth sores to address possible life-threatening conditions. talk about your alcohol use, liver disease and before you reduce or stop cymbalta. dizziness or fainting may occur upon standing. ask your doctor about cymbalta. imagine you with less pain. cymbalta can help. go to cymbalta.com to learn about a free trial offer. one chance to hunt down the right insurance at the right price.
8:28 pm
the "name your price" tool, only from progressive. ready, aim, save! grrr! ooh, i forgot my phone! the "name your price" tool. now available on your phone. get a free quote today. i think public education should be a dynamic process that is locally run, that works with parents to provide the optimal opportunity for each child in america to get the education that they need, not what the federal government or the state government says that you should have. >> welcome back to "the ed show." there is a survival of the fittest threatening to destroy the chicago public schools system. teachers and parents protesting
8:29 pm
a chicago school board decision to close or overhaul 17 schools. the plan shuts down under performing schools, which were already under-funded, under-resourced, leaving many poor communities without a neighborhood school. the reverend jesse jackson says it's a two-tiered school system benefits certain schools over others. >> segregation within our school system undermines the law. >> rahm emanuel pushed plan and is defending it. >> the schools turn around schools, neighborhood turnaround schools have seen double the improvements in math and reading that the cps system as a whole has. i want that for more kids. if i give them the chance of a good teacher and accountable principal and encourage the parental involvement, our kids have a chance at a future. >> really good sales pitch. let's turn to karen lewis, president of the chicago teachers union, this is not
8:30 pm
about a teachers union, this is about the kids in the classroom, poor neighborhoods in chicago being targeted foreclosure because they haven't been given resources to survive and to achieve in their test scores. what is going on here, ms. lewis? >> what is going on is a planned very-well orchestrated attack on public education in chicago. so, we have seen that the third in charge at chicago public schools has said clearly we're not going to finance schools, we won't fund schools that we plan closing down. this has been going on quite some time it is the status quo in chicago, by the way. we had earth-shaking breaking reform in the late 90s, where local school councils have control over hiring and evaluation of principals and also evaluating and looking at discretionary funds in the budgets for those schools.
8:31 pm
well, once you put a school on probation, you take away the power of the local school council. so there has been this stealth attack on democratically-controlled schools for 15 years. so now it's just top-down. >> but the schools that are being closed are in impoverished neighborhoods, is that correct? >> absolutely. >> how many schools have been closed in of affluent neighborhoods in chicago or middle class neighborhoods? >> ed, you know how many, zero. let's talk about this. >> so you're saying this is about resource, giving up on schools in impoverished neighborhoods, you had an official tell you please reiterate what the official told you about funding to the schools. >> they said they weren't going to fund them. but we've also had the same mayor say to me personally that 25% of the kids are never going to amount to anything, they are never going to be anything and
8:32 pm
i'm not throwing money at it. >> wait, wait, rahm emanuel said to you that 25% of the kids aren't going to make it? >> yes. the first time i ever met him and we had dinner and he told me this, i was stunned. i said even if you believe that, you cannot say that to me. but then you go out -- >> he's accepting failure is what he is, he's pushing -- >> no, he's saying he won't fund it. what do you do? you take places on their way up, you take them over, and then you start touting the numbers that aren't true. twice as much support. at best the turnaround schools give three months of extra suppo support. >> here is more from former chief of staff of president obama, rahm emanuel. >> change is hard. but watching year in and year out kids captured in a system that is failing is harder. >> what is your response to
8:33 pm
that? >> he's absolutely right. but this is not change. this is the same old status quo policy that we have been under for the last 15 years. and it doesn't work. it is a failed policy, chicago public schools failed policy and they have exploited this madness to the rest of the country. >> what happens to the kids in these poor neighborhoods where the schools are shut down and we should point out they give millions of dollars to the charter schools, what happens to the kids? where do they go? get busted to another school? >> some do, some don't. some stay in the same school and bring in new staff, that is the turnaround model. what is interesting about the turn -- >> bring in new staff, wait a minute. they bring in new staff, they get rid of teachers, they deem them -- >> teachers, principal, security guards, everybody. everybody goes. all the adults go. >> what do you say to rahm emanuel he says the test scores are better? >> okay, i'll tell you again,
8:34 pm
three months of growth at best. so this is their talking point. it's a talking point. >> rahm emanuel is lying, what is he's doing? >> he's doing something. >> is he lying? is he telling the truth to the public when he stands in front of the microphone and says scores are better, and this is the way to go and better for the system? >> depends on the school. i will tell you in many of the schools the scores are not better. they are not better. >> karen lewis -- >> you can spin it. >> i want the truth and i think it's wrong that we are picking and choosing is what we're doing. we're picking and choosing the poor versus the rich in this country and hiding behind saying public education doesn't make it. how many teachers will loads their jobs because of this? >> anywhere up to 800. >> they are just happens to be 800 lousy teachers in chicago so get rid of them all. this is about the money and all about the wealthy and the charter schools, i'm not going to let this story go, i'm out of
8:35 pm
town. >> thank you. >> appreciate your time, please come back with us. karen lewis, thank you for joining us this evening. no written speeches, the opportunity to see what's in here, what's up here, and what's burning down here. >> rick santorum's fire is burning, and he's defending his satan comments. bob shrum and james peterson on the politics of the cloth, next. the donald trump-david letterman feud is spilling over in the campaign. mitt romney's dog is involved. we'll bring you up to speed. there used to be a time you know i'm think about running for president, someone would say mitt, remember the time you tied the dog to the roof of the car? >> democrat dreaming of a brokered convention have reason to believeful. >> i wouldn't be afraid of that. >> mike papantonio is ahead.
8:36 pm
at legalzoom we'll help you incorporate your business, file a patent, make a will and more. you can complete our online questions in minutes. then we'll prepare your legal documents and deliver them directly to you. so start your business, protect your family, launch your dreams. at legalzoom.com, we put the law on your side. then don't get nickle and dimed by high cost investments and annoying account fees.
8:37 pm
at e-trade, our free easy-to-use online tools and experienced retirement specialists can help you build a personalized plan. and with our no annual fee iras and a wide range of low cost investments, you can execute the plan you want at a low cost. so meet with us, or go to etrade.com for a great retirement plan with low cost investments. ♪ two covergirls. that's right. get two miracles in one product. covergirl makeup... and olay advanced hydrating serum. it's new tone rehab 2-in-1 foundation. one pump... covers spots, lines... and wrinkles. and one bottle helps improve skin tone over time. that's what i was supposed to say now. well, no one can understand you. ♪ new tone rehab 2-in-1 foundation from [ babbling ] ...covergirl. that's what i'm talking about. see? what did you just say? i'm looking for some "beeza-beeza-vuza-vuza." hey. did you guys hear... ...that mary got engaged? that's so 42 seconds ago.
8:38 pm
thanks for the flowers guys. [ both ] you're welcome. oooh are you guys signing up for the free massage? [ both ] so 32 seconds ago. hey guys you hear frank's cat is sick? yeah, we heard. wanna sign the card? did you know the guys from china are in the office... [ speaking chinese ] [ male announcer ] stay a step ahead with the 4g lte galaxy s ii skyrocket. only from at&t. ♪ [ doug ] i been lobstering about all my life. i'm a lobstergirl. [ laughs ] [ laura ] top quality lobster is all we catch. [ male announcer ] it's lobsterfest at red lobster. the one time of year you can savor 12 exciting lobster entrees, like lobster lover's dream or new maine lobster and shrimp trio. [ doug ] the sweet, succulent meat. that's a good-tasting lobster. [ laura ] i'll eat it any way i can. [ doug ] we're the mclennan family from spruce head, maine, and we sea food differently.
8:39 pm
no teleprompters, no written speeches, the opportunity to see what's in here. what's up here. and what's burning down here. >> believe it or not, rick santorum does not need to call a doctor, that was his explanation of why his candidacy is resonating with voters. now santorum is getting hit for remarks he made back in 2008 at a catholic university in florida speaking about then candidate barack obama's position on abortion. here's part of what santorum had to say. >> this is not a political war at all. this is not a cultural war at all. this is a spiritual war and the father of lies has his sights on what you would think the father of lies satan would have his sights on, a good, decent powerful, influential country. the united states of america. if you were satan, who would you attack in this day and age. there is no one else to go
8:40 pm
after. other than the united states. that has been the case for now almost 200 years. once americans pre em i sown. >> it's absurd. if a person -- i'm a person of faith. i believe in good and evil. because if you're person of faith is a disqualifier for president we'll have a small pool of candidates. >> i'm joined by bob shrum and professor at nyu and dr. james peterson, director of africana studies at lehigh university. we're talking contraception, faith, talk ag bore shun, bob, what is going on, why are they going down this road and what about santorum? >> santorum reminds me of
8:41 pm
something pope john xxiii said at the opening of the vatican council, denounced the pro ed p they burn with zeal but lack common sense. he's wrong on the theology and politics. you can't turn america in a special precinct of heaven. this is a country, not a church. you can't confuse the secular with the sacred. listen to commentators going crazy. there is much or more against santorum as they were against newt gingrich they think he's a loser. the irony is romney, to compete with santorum has taken many of the same positions, just without the white hot rhetoric and what he thinks will redeem him in a general election is people they he's not telling the truth. the fact he lies all the time becomes a defense mechanism.
8:42 pm
>> dr. peterson, your take on santorum's talk about satan and putting it in current terms. >> doesn't he sound like reverend wright? he's very consistent. this is micropartisanship. he has to speak to a specific religious right and that is where he gets trapped. he can't back off of that because those are the folk who are voting for him. until newt gingrich gets out of the race, he has to keep pandering to the right in the very strong, very religious terms. i would argue that or agree with bob but argue that this is problematic for american politics going forward because we don't want to have religion in our politics in this way. >> the politics of it right now for rick santorum, when he won missouri, minnesota and colorado, leading up to that, he was talking about manufacturing. he was talking about jobs and the economy. he was talking about being the most conservative one of the bunch but he has turned to the president's faith, he has turned to the social issues beyond.
8:43 pm
this is really what is starting to deep-six him in the polls or am i wrong? >> i think you're right. maybe he ought to use the teleprompter. when he talks from inside what is burning and lets that fire out, he moves the whole process to the right, he makes the republican party look extreme, he makes himself look absurd, he forces romney to compete with him and ed, this is all part of a pattern. they got elected in 2010 saying they would focus on jobs. >> that lane is closed because the economy is improving, that is not open for them to make those kind of attacks. let's be clear here the president doesn't support abortion he supports a woman's right to choose. the political rhetoric is more than white hot it's ignorant. >> doctor, what about franklin graham's comments about president obama and then going on another network the next day and clarifying what he really meant? what is going on here? we are questioning the faith of the president of the united states. political motives there? >> absolutely.
8:44 pm
we're not questioning it but those on the right have to. certain lanes are closed down do them they don't have the economy lane, they can't win against this president in certain areas they think they want to like michigan because of gm and what he has done with the car industry, in those situations, the tactics become really dramatic so you roll out a graham to say the things they can't say. best believe that is coming from the right. >> as disgruntled as republicans are with romney, he's starting to get help from santorum. >> no, i think that is absolutely right. the republican establishment is determined to nominate romney, he's coming back a little bit in michigan, looks like he may win it. he is well ahead in arizona, he may be behind in the national polls, but what they are hoping he gets through michigan and arizona they con nominate him because they don't have anybody else to nominate. >> very conservative voters in michigan prefer santorum over rom neerne romney. a surrogate says social issues
8:45 pm
will lead to the defeat of san tore and also the gop. >> a party believes in government out of your life, the precious right of privacy and right to be left alone. how then can they be the hypocracy, we won't have a prayer. >> he's a republican in name only. it's not just santorum. you talked about virginia, forcing women who have trans vaginal sonograms. you have a republican crusading against birth control. that is the spectacle being given to the country. >> senator simpson is the real republican here, they moved so far to the right, and become so drastic they sound like, i don't know. >> dr. james peterson and bob shrum, great to have you tonight. donald trump gets his feelings hurt by david
8:46 pm
letterman. he retaliates on twitter. we'll break down the trump-letterman feud next. the employee of the month is... spark card from capital one. spark cash gives me the most rewards of any small business credit card. it's hard for my crew to keep up with 2% cash back on every purchase, every day. 2% cash back. that's setting the bar pretty high. thanks to spark, owning my own business has never been more rewarding. [ male announcer ] introducing spark the small business credit cards from capital one. get more by choosing unlimited double miles or 2% cash back on every purchase, every day.
8:47 pm
what's in your wallet? this guy's amazing. up next, donald trump and david letterman go head-to-head over mitt romney. the big finish, mike papantonio and sarah palin's hope of a brokered convention. don't forget to tweet us using #edshow, we're right back. early stages of cancer and it's something that we're extremely proud of. you see someone who is saved because of this technology, you know that the things that you do in your life, matter. if i did have an opportunity to meet a cancer survivor, i'm sure i could take something positive away from that. [ jocelyn ] my name is jocelyn, and i'm a cancer survivor. [ mimi ] i had cancer. i have no evidence of disease now. [ erica ] i would love to meet the people that made the machines. i had such an amazing group of doctors and nurses, it would just make such a complete picture
8:48 pm
of why i'm sitting here today. ♪ [ herb ] from the moment we walked in the front door, just to see me -- not as a cancer patient, but as a person that had been helped by their work. i was just blown away. life's been good to me. i feel like one of the luckiest guys in the world. ♪
8:49 pm
this morning, donald trump took a break from recording robo calls for mitt romney to take a cheap shot at david letterman with this tweet. the show has become boring and mundane, somehow every time i look i can't help thinking of the world shattering poor performance of the academy awards a number of years ago. anyway, i hope he gets it together. what is going on here? trump's problem is personal. it goes back to last april when trump started conspiracy
8:50 pm
theories about president obama's grades. here what is letterman had to say. >> my point is it's all fun, it's all a circus, all a rodeo until it starts to smack of racism. >> you thought it was racist? >> yes. >> letterman did more damage to trump's delicate ego after donald endorsed mitt romney. >> mitt romney is sinking in the polls. sinking in the polls, that is the magic of a donald trump endorsement right, there ladies and gentlemen. missouri, minnesota and another state, i think it was colorado. mitt romney lost all three of those primaries. yep, yep. today, he begged donald trum top take back his endorsement. >> but the final straw for trump may have been letterman's opening monologue last night. it had a very specific anti-romney theme. >> there used to be a time whether people said i'm thinking about running for president and somebody else would say, "mitt, remember the time i tied the dog to the roof of the car."
8:51 pm
>> you want that guy in the oval office? tied his dog to the roof of a car? that is the guy? really? george washington i cannot tell a lie. i cut down the cherry tree. abe lincoln freed the slaves. mitt romney, i tied my dog to the station wagon! i don't know why this isn't a bigger issue. he tied his damn dog to the roof of his car. >> if anyone thinks trumps endorsement makes a difference, i have one thing to say, that dog don't hunt. >> sarah palin cheers the idea of brokered convention, mike papantonio checks in next.
8:52 pm
8:53 pm
ed show survey tonight i
8:54 pm
asked should women trust republicans to make decisions about health care? 2% said yes, 98% said no. coming up, sarah palin sales a brokered convention might be good for the gop and the country. mike papantonio is next. s you why you fell in love with her in the first place. and why you still feel the same. but your erectile dysfunction -- that could be a question of blood flow. cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or if you have any allergic reactions such as rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat,
8:55 pm
or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a 30-tablet free trial. you walk into a conventional mattress store, it's really not about you. they say, "well, if you want a firm bed you can lie onne of those." we provide the exact individualization that your body needs. wow! that feels really good. it's about support where you find it most comfortable. hurry to the final days of the ultimate sleep number event, where queen mattresses now start at just $599. and save 50% on the final closeout of our innovative limited edition bed. only at the sleep number store. welcome back to "the ed show." big finish tonight, more headaches for the republican party. one candidate declares third party run, republicans on the sidelines say a brokered convention could be a good idea.
8:56 pm
sarah palin was asked if she would be open to the republican party came to her. >> well, the establishment will never come to me, i know that, brokered convention i won't be afraid of that. the electorate shouldn't be afraid of that, that is a continuation of a process and competition that perhaps would be in the end very good for our party and good for the cause of defending our republic. >> little too much caffeine there, rick perry, governor of texas endorsed newt gingrich when he dropped out of the race. but now he says this may go all the way to the convention. it may be a brokered convention. what insight. >> one more thing, here comes buddy roemer. maybe you never heard of buddy roemer, but he's a former louisiana congressman and governor, he's ending his run for the gop nomination and he's going to run as an independent on the americans elect ticket. he's seeking the nomination of the reform party.
8:57 pm
let's bring in mike papantonio, host "ring of fire" on radio stations across the stations. sort out the possible from the crazy, what is happening? >> first of all, palin does see herself as a candidate. she wants a brokered convention because in her crazy, delusional mind she sees herself at the top of the ticket, santorum running as a vp. she is manipulative opportunityist who never stopped trying to run for president. she destroyed the republican ticket in 2008. you will see her unleash her flying monkey type of campaign more and more as we get closer to the convention. remember this -- >> you think she is serious or is she just talking smack for the tv camera, what do you think? >> no, she is always serious. she is delusional, ed, in her mind she still thinks there is a possibility. this is the woman that mike murphy, the big dog campaign guy
8:58 pm
for the gop called her a train wreck in 2008, ed. he said she was a stone-cold loser. she has been criticized from virtually everybody in the organized gop, it doesn't stop her, she is shameless, manipulative, in the back of her mind she believes there is a possibility if things shake up at that convention. >> whether or not about rick perry? he added his voice in the conversation of a brokered convention, is he bitter about the whole deal? >> i think a guy like rick perry sees the same thing. they think a shake-up works for them. you heard jeb bush, daniels, a guy like perry thinks there might be something that comes out of this if there is a brokered convention. he's just like sarah palin, he is not a realist, delusional most of the time but sees this as an opportunity and so the more shake up, the better for people like perry and palin. >> talk about buddy roemer could it shave a point or two in the
8:59 pm
general election? i don't think he would be a real strong third party, but he might peel a few people off, what do you think, the big thing is elect shun finance reform, what do you think? >> he could be. listen, he is the closest thing to a moderate gop candidate that has existed since george bush number one. he truly is a moderate. he was a democrat, changed to the republican party as governor in louisiana, they loved him down there. he was in favor of campaign reform, he gave teachers a big pay, he was considered a middle class governor. once he gets in front of the camera, ed, he is very effective, people relate to him, they want to hear his message, it's what the republicans have lacked they haven't been able to put the kind of message out. he's a viable candidate. >> we'll talk to him. mike papantonio, thank you for your time. that is "the ed show," listen to me on the radio monday
left
right